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iagofawr
Topic :   Council bashing or justified criticsm

The council never seen to be far from the news, be it local or national. Some say it's bashing but I prefer to think of it as constructive criticism. The problem is that the focus always seems to emanate from some particular 'favourite' theme i.e schools, hospital car parks, the Maes etc. It's time to really look holistically at the way this council operate and what can be done to stop the rot.
Whenever new money is given to the town the first reaction is to employ a group of highly paid consultants from outside the area to analyse the 'needs' of the locality. I thought the council were remitted to do that and were paid for that service. So we can automatically assume that up to 40% of any grant money will disappear in to the coffers of the consultants.
Then we have some bright ideas that totally change the identity of the town, ideas like the Victoria Dock scheme. How many of the units are still unsold, possibly half or more..? Surely some one badly miscalculated the need for such a development....were they consultants I wonder.....
The Maes is an ongoing saga that will run and run and eventually we will end up with a nice Square with a fountain, a roundabout and a drop off point for the local buses.
Unfortunately the council still seem to think that the political atmosphere of two decades ago still defines their actions. The political landscape of Wales has changed permanently, thanks to the men and women who fought so hard ensure the level of independence we now enjoy. It's time this council, and our MP realised that we need visionaries who can secure a bright future for the town irrespective of the political ramifications. If they can't or won't then all the work done by their predecessors is wasted.
It is difficult not to look through politically tinted glasses at the jail saga.  It is fine to permanently blight the name of the town if 'huge numbers of quality jobs' are on offer. The same yardstick is not applied to the Tesco development at Cibyn. One might easily suspect that Mr Williams M.P and his cohorts had come to a mutually beneficial agreement with the Government in Westminster and have really thrown the teddy out of the pram when their little boys club failed to deliver the sweeties as promised. It is strange that such a group of highly educated people can only come up with one idea and then sulk when they don't get their own way.
Ultimately we have to ask what has been delivered to the people of the town in the last 4 years..... Where is the ten year plan that will prove the council are thinking strategically and not politically?

...or have we given up caring any longer and just look forward to apathy killing off the town..



11/22/2009 07:06 AM


guest
Re :   Does anyone have an opinion of this year's Firework displays or the Remembrance Day service?

I too noticed some missing councillors. It is shameful that they were not present. Unless of course they were in their hospital beds. OTHERWISE, where were they?????????


11/17/2009 04:40 AM


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Re :   Does anyone have an opinion of this year's Firework displays or the Remembrance Day service?

The council pays for both the fireworks and remeberence event. so perhaps someone wanted to let us know this in a round about way? Nice service. Why were some councillors missing? Did they give their appologies? because unless they were missing a limb, then they should have been there. Shame on those who chose to snub our armed forces.


11/16/2009 17:49 PM


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Re :   Reply To Guest

Reply to is_Aimoo_Guest (11/16/2009 03:25 AM)

I think its an excellent event every year, a good excuse for a quick pint in the Anglesey!!

No doubt someone will be on here soon to rant at the town council "throwing my money away" by paying for the fireworks, and somehow turning this into a dig at councillors, yes, so the Town Council paid for the fireworks, but the money raised by the Lions Club will now go on to help many other local causes.

I can't get over this message, it must be  a set up by some group or something.
Here's a chance for people to respond on our events and this idiot drags in councillors and town councils. What a cretin.
As for my views. The remembrance day service was great, the youngsters need to practice a bit more though as they are constantly out of step which is a shame. I can't comment on the firework display as I am a little too old for all that and it was bitterly cold. Who cares who pays for what so long as everyone enjoys themselves.



11/16/2009 12:46 PM


guest
Re :   Does anyone have an opinion of this year's Firework displays or the Remembrance Day service?

What a totally negative response by some dimwit. not everyone is as negative as you it seems. Why bring the councillors and town council into this. It wasa Lions display and well done to them. Some people are obsessed into talking about the council all the time.


11/16/2009 11:56 AM


guest
Re :   Does anyone have an opinion of this year's Firework displays or the Remembrance Day service?

I think its an excellent event every year, a good excuse for a quick pint in the Anglesey!!

No doubt someone will be on here soon to rant at the town council "throwing my money away" by paying for the fireworks, and somehow turning this into a dig at councillors, yes, so the Town Council paid for the fireworks, but the money raised by the Lions Club will now go on to help many other local causes.


11/16/2009 03:25 AM


guest
Topic :   Does anyone have an opinion of this year's Firework displays or the Remembrance Day service?

We have seen and read very little about this years events in November. Were you pleased? Or did they not meet your expectations?


11/15/2009 07:04 AM


guest
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

Everyone seems to be missing the point here.What people dislike is abusive responses and unfortunately most of those come from people who seem to have little ability to express themselves in English or Welsh .This does make others think that they are rather unintelligent which in turn tends to detract from their contribution to any debate. I don't know what sort of people they are and I sincerely feel sorry for them as they are obviously very unhappy  .I do think that someone who keeps saying how Welsh we are should not object to the odd Welsh contributo


11/13/2009 14:59 PM


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Re :   Reply To caernarfonnline

Reply to caernarfonnline (11/12/2009 11:31 AM)

Comment by Editor
To be honest you are both childish and whoever started this thread was asking for trouble, as it is obvious that one side would be against the other.
The lanugage issue comes into so many things here in Caernarfon and quite frankly I am not alone in thinking it spolis it for us all.
Language, be it Welsh (Cymraeg) or English (Saesneg) should not be an issue, but time and time again both sides make it one.
It is only a problem when the Welsh insist on the English learning the language and the English insist on not leraning it. This problem doesn't happen anywhere else. It stops businesses investing here and alienates our neighbours. Lets try to live in harmony without making things difficult for ourselves. Oh yes and stop bickering!

Hello me again I wrote the two pieces on Caernarfon shops and parking etc. Thank you editor for your message. I could understand the post's in Cymraeg, I came back to live here six years ago, all my family on my Dads side came from Caernarfon, and I care deeply about the town. Six years ago I started to learn Welsh again, and I speak it where and when I can, my friends in England and indeed all over the world get Bi-ling Christmas cards, as its sur how many people do not know Wales has its own language. But too many people I think use this lovely language as a weapon, yet for those who can not speak it I feel they are missing out on so much, while living in a country that holds the key to understanding why the lang is so important and unigue, but that is up to them. What you said above is so true, so many people have spent years here in business, providing a valued and much needed service to people, and jobs to local people, and still they get it in the neck, for not using enough Welsh. or making mistakes when they do. As a Welsh lean may I also say that ,with respect, there are a few Welsh speakers around that make you feel like a real idiot if you make a little mistake, instead of helping you. People who think like those above do, want to realise that if things carry on the way they are going in Caernarfon, you will have your language, but Caernarfon town will be in an even worse state than it is now.


11/12/2009 16:21 PM


caernarfon
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

Comment by Editor
To be honest you are both childish and whoever started this thread was asking for trouble, as it is obvious that one side would be against the other.
The lanugage issue comes into so many things here in Caernarfon and quite frankly I am not alone in thinking it spolis it for us all.
Language, be it Welsh (Cymraeg) or English (Saesneg) should not be an issue, but time and time again both sides make it one.
It is only a problem when the Welsh insist on the English learning the language and the English insist on not leraning it. This problem doesn't happen anywhere else. It stops businesses investing here and alienates our neighbours. Lets try to live in harmony without making things difficult for ourselves. Oh yes and stop bickering!


11/12/2009 11:31 AM


guest
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

Ateb typical, oes na dim rhyfedd bod pobol yn stopio ysgrifenu yr iaith, pan mae rhwyn yn trio, mae nhw yn cael spwriael fel hun yn ol.
You started wrting Welsh on a predominantly English written board. That shows how ignorant you are. I merely answered you in the language you chose. I don't pretend to be an expert in Welsh, But I am a Cofi. Get a life.



11/12/2009 11:23 AM


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Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

Diolch am yr ateb blagardus ac anghywir mae'n rhoi  argraff perffaith o'r awdur. Cyn rhedeg- ar bobl ddi Gymraeg fe ddylai'r "Cymro" honnedig yma wneud ymdrech i feistroli ei iaith ac yna dysgu bod yn gwrtais.


11/12/2009 10:00 AM


guest
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

Ac heb henwu enwau mae nifer o siopau eraill yn y dre efo pobol "tu allan" o'r ardal heb syniad be mae'r Cofis eisiau.
Wnes i ddim son am Tesco's ond mae'n amlwg fydd nhw ddim yn cymeryd staff Cymreig (according to you). Siopau fel Tesco's yda ni angen twpysn!
Siopau - Siopio yda ni angen, edrychwch ar Bangor a Llandudno i'w chymharu.
 
For the record: Mae cig yn rhatach yn siopau fel Tesco. gemwaith yn lot rhatach ar y Teledu a llyfrau yn "ten a penny" dyddiau yma, pwy sy'n talu pris llawn am lyfr pan mae "deal's" yn pob man?

Efo ateb fel ti di rhoi, mae'n amlwg bod ti heb weld y niferoedd o siopau "ddi Gymraeg" sydd yn y dre. A hynnu yn y tref mwya Cymerig yn Nghymru. A NA! ydi rhan fwa o lle bwyta ddim yn Cymraeg, edrycha eto....

Mae'n drist pod ti rhy ddallt i weld choeden yn y coed.  Sheeeesh!


11/11/2009 12:47 PM


guest
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

Dyma'r math o berson sydd yn rhoi enw drwg i Gymry .Mae'n amlwg nad yw yn gwybod dim am y dref gan fod y rhan fwyaf o fusnesau yn cael eu rhedeg gan Gymry a llawer o.r rheini yn bobl ifanc brwdfrydig a chymwynasgar.Mae 'r 2 gigydd yn lleol,y mwyafrif o'r tai bwyta,y siop lyfra,siop bloda,siopa gemwaith,y crydd,trin gwallt,ayyb.Dangos ei anwybodaeth mae,r person yma ac hefyd ei ragfarn.Mae'n drist o beth ond dim ond dangos ei hun i fyny mae o drwy rhyw baldaruan fel hyn.Ydi Mr Tesco yn Gymro 'ta Sais?


11/11/2009 12:06 PM


guest
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

I find myself agreeing with the visitor who has an opinion on our wardens. But more so the fact that he (or she) is another would be customer who has found it impossible to shop in our town. What shops we have a run by miserable English owners who have little time for the locals. That's my opinion for what its worth.


11/10/2009 15:17 PM


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Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

Reply to Guest (11/10/2009 05:31 AM)
 Judging by the above post, I'd say we need more Schools.



Ha Ha indeed we do it seems, but hey we are having a new one at Hendre. Which is more than what we can say about our shopping center (or lack of it)


11/10/2009 15:13 PM


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Re :   Reply To Guest

Reply to is_Aimoo_Guest (11/06/2009 16:01 PM)

Caernarfon town means a lot to me, it is a town I love very much, but I do not go there now if I can help it. I do not like to see it as it is now, and I am sure my Nain and all our family long since gone would not like what they could see now either. The shops offer no choice, The Maes is very diificult to walk on, unless you would like to get run over that is. Parking is a joke, and has been made as difficult as possible thanks to Gwynedd. I wanted a Tesco in Cibyn as I am fed up having to drive to Bangor, Tesco in Caernarfon offers such limited choice for me. I go to Cibyn quite often to the refuse place and to the fantatsic Cibyn Vets. People who say Caernarfon is ok want to get out and about a bit more and go and see what other towns offer. They have real shops, a picture house, a theatre ( yes I know we have Galeri ) that puts on producations that people really wont to see. most of them are clean and tidy too. and they are full of people and have a atmosphere that has a buzz to it. Like the Caernarfon I remember, not the shell that remains for us to see today. Sorry but this is how I feel. People who want to shop go to Bangor, Llandudno, Chester or Liverpool. Some also go to Cheshire Oaks, The Trafford Centre or Gemni, in fact anywhere BUT Caernarfon.

I wrote the above comment. Today I went into Caernarfon for the first time in ages. After I had been to the appointement I had to attend I went for a coffee. I went to a cafe on the Maes, I should have been able to enjoy the view of the Castle, the new Square etc. But what did I get? In the short time I was there three vans came to make del to different shops on the square. At one point a transit van from the Welsh Air Ambulance came (great cause donot get me wrong ,support it myself.) and parked outside the estate agents next to Silver Star. The back is opened up and a dinning table and chairs are unloaded, and left on the square for a little while, while the driver makes a telephone call. The van is then left on the square for quite some time. If it was not there I may have been able to see the row of taxis park outside the spar, all the other cars and vans parked here and there on the square, and lots of other cars and vans just driving through the square in no part direction!! When I first arrived and parked my car in the multi-st car park  I saw TWO Gwynedd Council traffic wardens closely examing the car that I had parked next to, because they told me the tax disc had ran out on the 10 of September. They where still there on the same floor of the car park when I returned to my car almost an hour later. What a good job they are doing! Oh and the town was empty, the people who where there looked down in the dumps and the town looked dirty and drap to me, It all did not put me in the mood for walking round the shops (what shops) and parting with my money.


11/10/2009 14:22 PM


guest
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

 Judging by the above post, I'd say we need more Schools.


11/10/2009 05:31 AM


guest
Re :   Does Caernarfon have the right kinds of shops to bring in the shoppers?

well said true morons rule i agree no morons in Bangor we only want cheep shops 4 us no good morons wantour town heig up 4 losers lik them get rid i say & mak our town gret agen with shops lik tesco & Woolworth & ever cheep shop i say why there morons must hav stop £1 shops 2 in Bangor 0 here i say get rid of fanci shops & fill town with shops we want these morons no nuthing i say.


11/09/2009 12:41 PM


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Re :   Reply To Guest

Reply to is_Aimoo_Guest (11/06/2009 16:01 PM)

Caernarfon town means a lot to me, it is a town I love very much, but I do not go there now if I can help it. I do not like to see it as it is now, and I am sure my Nain and all our family long since gone would not like what they could see now either. The shops offer no choice, The Maes is very diificult to walk on, unless you would like to get run over that is. Parking is a joke, and has been made as difficult as possible thanks to Gwynedd. I wanted a Tesco in Cibyn as I am fed up having to drive to Bangor, Tesco in Caernarfon offers such limited choice for me. I go to Cibyn quite often to the refuse place and to the fantatsic Cibyn Vets. People who say Caernarfon is ok want to get out and about a bit more and go and see what other towns offer. They have real shops, a picture house, a theatre ( yes I know we have Galeri ) that puts on producations that people really wont to see. most of them are clean and tidy too. and they are full of people and have a atmosphere that has a buzz to it. Like the Caernarfon I remember, not the shell that remains for us to see today. Sorry but this is how I feel. People who want to shop go to Bangor, Llandudno, Chester or Liverpool. Some also go to Cheshire Oaks, The Trafford Centre or Gemni, in fact anywhere BUT Caernarfon.



I could not have written the last message better myself. I agree entirely with what you have said. Caernarfon is finished and I too loved this once great town, but now I see myself actually wanting to leave (like many others have already done).
Caernarfon not only offers nothing for the locals (shopping wise), it also offers nothing for our children and this means they too will leave. If Tesco's doesn't come to town and the exiting store closes then it will mean the end for the town.
What's the solution? Well quite simply we need to rid ourselves of these negative shopkeepers who are against everything. Week in week out we read of the same old clan slagging off Tesco's, the Doc and just about everything else we have a chance of getting. They are so narrow minded that they think unique shops are the way forward. What they don't realise is that to attract customers, you need to have something more than "unique" shops. People are looking for bargains and a good deal, this only comes with the bigger shops. Caernarfon is finished and it is down to this little group of  losers who constantly are looking after their own little empires and are afraid of any competition. COMPETITION is what makes businesses great. We should not let these morons stop out little town progressing. They will see that with their attitude people will  turn their backs on them and then they will have nothing. I for one will not shop in town as long as these morons are trying to rule the roost. It's Bangor shopping for me.


11/08/2009 11:07 AM

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